What is an American car?

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Asked by Mark Jan 01, 2016 at 01:48 PM about the 2010 Subaru Outback 2.5i Limited

Question type: Shopping & Pricing

Although Subaru hails from Japan,   several of their models,  including the
Subaru  Legacy and Outback are built in the USA  in Lafayette, Indiana.  While
there are still some "American cars" still being built in Detroit,  many are built
outside the country,  including Canada and Mexico..  And,  its ironic that a lot of
cars including Toyota builds cars in Kentucky.   So,  the American car you're
driving may not really be the "American car" you thought it was.    Most of these
new cars are built largely by robotics, but,  the machines are managed by high
tech workers.  So,  considering all the American workers in the Subaru Indiana
plant,  would you call this an American car ?

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Jim, this is interesting. Actually, there's more to suggest that the models from Japan, like the Forester and the Imprezza have more quality control issues right now and quality control at the Indiana plant are better. The blown head gaskets has been greatly diminished with the multi layered head gaskets introduced on the 2010 models. The problem with the newer FB engines is two fold, its a changed design and 0-20 oil viscosity, but, it doesn't seem to be affecting all cars, and seems particularly prominent with the manual transmission Subaru Forester. I'm not saying that there are no problems with the boxer engine, but, the Subaru vehicles are so far ahead of Chrysler, its hard to believe that you referenced them in the same sentence. Chrysler has been a bottom feeder for such a long time, it's hard to believe that they are still in business. Name one Chrysler car that's been on the market continuously for 20 years? They keep changing the nameplates of their cars when they lose public credibility. Subaru is rated as the 5th best car by many independent car reports, that's a fact. Just check US News, Kelly Blue Book, Consumer Reports.

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http://www.usnews.com/info/blogs/press-room/2015/02/11/us- news-best-cars-announces-the-2015-best-cars-for-the-money

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Jim, here's a little gem for you, see this, and by the way, when it comes to safety, Subaru cars outshine so many others. How much is your safety worth? This article by the Wall Street Journal points out that for the money, Subaru cars are a great value. http://fortune.com/2012/11/19/are-subarus-the-best-cars-money- can-buy/

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Jim, I'm familiar with Car Complaints website. You're absolutely right about some of the newer version Outbacks. It's really unfortunate, that some model years like the 2008, 2009 and 2010 years were listed as " seal of awesome ", and they went downhill in later years. I guess it's a case of its better to be lucky than good. Here's the profile of my 2010 Subaru Outback. I hate to say this, but, it's almost like choosing a bottle of wine. http://www.carcomplaints.com/Subaru/Outback/2010

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Jim, I'm very lucky that my other car is a 2009 Toyota Prius, which also got the "" Seal of Awesome " for the year it came out, see this, http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Prius/2009/ Again, its just luck.

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Jim, I very much enjoyed reading your last post, thanks for sharing. Besides luck, another factor is how people treat and drive their cars. I've seen a lot of people race and try to be like someone at Indy with jack rabbit starts, sudden stops, wild cornering, etc. If you are reasonable and don't manhandle your car, it will take you much further. And, maintenance is key. A few years ago, a friend of my Mom's wanted to give my nephew their old 86 Toyota Supra which had remarkably low mileage. They sold us the car for $1, and told us that it had a few problems like exhaust and brakes. When I went to pick up the car, they told me that "they never put any money into that car" and it was a good. little transportation car. Those words, we never put any money.... were so true when I took the car in for repair. Turns out, the car had been neglected for so long, it needed about $2,500 to get it road worthy again. Now, while that didn't seem so bad at the time since we paid only $1. It had continuous problems and we sold the car later for $850 just to get rid of it. The problem that sent my nephew over the edge and I agreed was whenever you made a left hand turn, the right passenger door swung open, it was quite unnerving. No, that was it for me and we did disclose that to the buyer of car, I just couldn't deal with it or thought it was worth fixing . The car was not that fun to drive and actually not that economical on fuel. By the way, speaking of luck, my 1995 Honda Accord station wagon, which I purchased brand new in 1996 had 150,000 miles on it when I sold it almost 20 years later with the original engine and transmission. So, I think it's a combination of luck, common sense, care and treatment. Just because the car can do all sorts of fast maneuvers, and burn rubber, doesn't mean you should. Now that I'm older and realize how expensive it is to maintain and keep cars running in top notch condition, you realize that it's not cool to act like a high school kid and race your car into the ground . Sure, we've all been there. Some people never grow up. Very sad.

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Jim, as good as my 2009 Toyota Prius is, and it earned the best review on Car Complaints website, I've noticed that the tires wear out around 34,000 miles on this car. My mechanic says it's because the suspension and structure of the car is inherently weaker and it is a pretty heavy car with the batteries. He said, the transmission and engine are solid, but, you know, they had to cut corners somewhere. I guess all cars have issues. I'm really easy on my cars, too bad the Toyota didn't opt for a double wishbone suspension, I think that might have made a difference? What do you think? My old Honda Accord had a four wheel double wishbone suspension and it was rock solid, never once had an issue with that car. Shocks replacement once around 100,000 miles and tire performance gave me an average 50,000 miles per set. So far, so good on the Subaru. Purchased the car in May 2014 as a CPO vehicle and have had no issues aside from routine maintenance . Ernie, in Boston, seems to think that the CVT transmissions are weak and will fail in these cars, but, I'm not convinced that will happen as long as you don't abuse it. Maybe it's true that Subaru cars cost a bit more to maintain? I'm very interested in my personal safety and you cannot put a price on that. Hey, if you really want to save money, drive a motorcycle! I wouldn't do that either. So, it's a choice. ---Mark

Mark - you own an older Subaru. You bought one at the sweet spot before the decline. Drive a new one for a while and get back to us!

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Jim- my cars are serviced professionally by a small independent garage and I've been using the same person for over 15 years. I did take the Subaru once to the dealership to get the transmission fluid changed, that was pretty expensive, but, they had specialized hardware and knowledge on how to do that. I figured, its worth the extra money to get this right and I would blame them directly if they screwed that up, they didn't! Thank goodness. We don't get rust in Los Angeles, CA. Yes, I do have a 2010 Subaru Outback, and while I would not call it a new car, I wouldn't call it old either. It's still a relatively young car with only 74,000 miles and for the climate we live in, it has a lot of life left in it. Yes, cars in the rust belt might be different, Los Angeles is pretty easy on cars weatherwise.---Mark

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Jim, I would say that this article speaks for itself, I don't think you'll disagree, see Qhttp://247wallst.com/autos/2015/07/23/fiat-chrysler-brands-get- lowest-ratings-in-quality-survey/

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